1 00:00:24,940 --> 00:00:16,080 [Music] 2 00:00:27,339 --> 00:00:24,950 so thank you again for the introduction 3 00:00:29,889 --> 00:00:27,349 Brenda it is great to be here I hope to 4 00:00:32,470 --> 00:00:29,899 become a regular face that these 5 00:00:34,660 --> 00:00:32,480 organizations are at these meetings I 6 00:00:36,220 --> 00:00:34,670 came to the last year's meeting is where 7 00:00:39,970 --> 00:00:36,230 I met Brenda she was kind enough to 8 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:39,980 invite me out to New Jersey which was 9 00:00:47,980 --> 00:00:44,210 just not expected at all so I had a 10 00:00:50,410 --> 00:00:47,990 wonderful opportunity to do that and you 11 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:50,420 know as great as it is to gather a bunch 12 00:00:55,060 --> 00:00:53,090 of like-minded people together and you 13 00:00:57,819 --> 00:00:55,070 know present all the stuff that we're 14 00:01:01,479 --> 00:00:57,829 interested in for me at least the SSC 15 00:01:04,090 --> 00:01:01,489 has been an opportunity to to receive 16 00:01:05,950 --> 00:01:04,100 you know the kind of tutelage that I 17 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:05,960 could get literally nowhere else in the 18 00:01:12,190 --> 00:01:09,170 world and to kind of you know to help 19 00:01:13,899 --> 00:01:12,200 get help you know get support as a young 20 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:13,909 person doing this has been absolutely 21 00:01:19,719 --> 00:01:17,810 invaluable so but now we can start the 22 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:19,729 presentation I would like to start it 23 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:23,450 with a very very brief poll mostly for 24 00:01:28,569 --> 00:01:26,329 my curiosity I was gonna go ahead and 25 00:01:30,370 --> 00:01:28,579 assume everyone here knows what a random 26 00:01:32,529 --> 00:01:30,380 event generator is I think we can go 27 00:01:35,590 --> 00:01:32,539 ahead and move past that but I am very 28 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:35,600 curious how many people here have ever 29 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:39,490 heard of a pseudo random event generator 30 00:01:46,239 --> 00:01:42,969 okay so even in a audience like this 31 00:01:47,199 --> 00:01:46,249 we're obviously very interested in this 32 00:01:50,889 --> 00:01:47,209 kind of stuff 33 00:01:52,839 --> 00:01:50,899 close followers of the the work done at 34 00:01:56,969 --> 00:01:52,849 pare the percentage of people who have 35 00:02:00,699 --> 00:01:56,979 heard of a pseudo re G is much smaller 36 00:02:03,429 --> 00:02:00,709 it's been kind of a neglected area of 37 00:02:06,219 --> 00:02:03,439 study it's not what people come to think 38 00:02:08,770 --> 00:02:06,229 about when they think about the 39 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:08,780 achievements of Bob and Brenda and the 40 00:02:15,190 --> 00:02:11,090 pear team but it's something that I 41 00:02:16,869 --> 00:02:15,200 ended up becoming very interested in so 42 00:02:19,089 --> 00:02:16,879 we're gonna do a couple things and talk 43 00:02:20,410 --> 00:02:19,099 about what is a pseudo reg why were they 44 00:02:23,350 --> 00:02:20,420 first studied 45 00:02:27,190 --> 00:02:23,360 what makes them so unique and what did I 46 00:02:30,580 --> 00:02:27,200 do to try and learn about them so first 47 00:02:35,199 --> 00:02:30,590 question is what is a pseudo re G a 48 00:02:39,010 --> 00:02:35,209 pseudo re G is quite simply it is a way 49 00:02:41,860 --> 00:02:39,020 to both mimic and kind of subvert at the 50 00:02:44,979 --> 00:02:41,870 same time a traditional random number 51 00:02:49,180 --> 00:02:44,989 generator the outputs of a pseudo re G 52 00:02:51,699 --> 00:02:49,190 are identical to the outputs of an re G 53 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:51,709 looking at them you cannot tell the 54 00:02:56,860 --> 00:02:54,410 difference they appear identical when 55 00:02:59,380 --> 00:02:56,870 you are actually operating at a pseudo 56 00:03:03,699 --> 00:02:59,390 re G and you watch the graph go up and 57 00:03:05,949 --> 00:03:03,709 down it's identical to a normal re G so 58 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:05,959 the output is different but the source 59 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:08,810 of the randomness where that data is 60 00:03:13,449 --> 00:03:12,170 coming from is different and that's the 61 00:03:16,140 --> 00:03:13,459 key factor and that's what we're going 62 00:03:19,150 --> 00:03:16,150 to explore here so I have a quote 63 00:03:21,490 --> 00:03:19,160 instead of generating bits in real time 64 00:03:23,650 --> 00:03:21,500 by sampling a micro electronic noise 65 00:03:26,110 --> 00:03:23,660 source and converting the output into 66 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:26,120 ones and zeros a pseudo reg quote 67 00:03:31,390 --> 00:03:28,370 produces a determinate repeating 68 00:03:34,060 --> 00:03:31,400 sequence so that the only remaining non 69 00:03:37,060 --> 00:03:34,070 deterministic aspect of the experiment 70 00:03:39,610 --> 00:03:37,070 is the time of incursion initiated by 71 00:03:42,220 --> 00:03:39,620 the operator and that comes from an 87 72 00:03:47,650 --> 00:03:42,230 paper by the pair team so that's really 73 00:03:50,289 --> 00:03:47,660 key these devices are not random to get 74 00:03:53,259 --> 00:03:50,299 give you a little more introduction okay 75 00:03:58,210 --> 00:03:53,269 it's an algorithm it's a computer 76 00:03:59,740 --> 00:03:58,220 algorithm and it's just a loop of ones 77 00:04:02,199 --> 00:03:59,750 and zeros ones and zeros and ones and 78 00:04:05,039 --> 00:04:02,209 zeros that is fixed that never changes 79 00:04:07,690 --> 00:04:05,049 and that can repeat itself without 80 00:04:10,150 --> 00:04:07,700 without repeating for approximately 60 81 00:04:12,370 --> 00:04:10,160 hours straight so it's always the same 82 00:04:15,430 --> 00:04:12,380 there's nothing random about it it's 83 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:15,440 just a lot of ones and zeros that run in 84 00:04:20,349 --> 00:04:17,810 a loop so how can you possibly 85 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:20,359 manipulate that data to prove that your 86 00:04:24,310 --> 00:04:22,370 intention is affecting it well there's 87 00:04:28,690 --> 00:04:24,320 only one way to do it and it's summed up 88 00:04:31,330 --> 00:04:28,700 in this quote so the only random element 89 00:04:33,719 --> 00:04:31,340 is when you dip into the stream okay 90 00:04:35,369 --> 00:04:33,729 that is the important part 91 00:04:37,409 --> 00:04:35,379 you're able to dip into the stream and 92 00:04:40,019 --> 00:04:37,419 intersect it at the right spot you can 93 00:04:42,719 --> 00:04:40,029 get an effect okay so that's key and 94 00:04:45,059 --> 00:04:42,729 that's going to be a theme so why were 95 00:04:47,489 --> 00:04:45,069 these devices originally started what 96 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:47,499 was the thinking behind what can we 97 00:04:50,459 --> 00:04:49,330 learn from them and I have got one more 98 00:04:54,989 --> 00:04:50,469 quote and then we're done with the 99 00:04:57,390 --> 00:04:54,999 quotes so obviously the team at 100 00:05:00,179 --> 00:04:57,400 Princeton experimented on multiple 101 00:05:01,890 --> 00:05:00,189 different devices it soon became 102 00:05:04,610 --> 00:05:01,900 apparent that these effects that they 103 00:05:06,749 --> 00:05:04,620 were producing were not device specific 104 00:05:08,489 --> 00:05:06,759 everyone knows the random event 105 00:05:10,889 --> 00:05:08,499 generators the electronic coin flippers 106 00:05:13,739 --> 00:05:10,899 but then they also had the the famous 107 00:05:15,149 --> 00:05:13,749 Murphy which is a giant pinball machine 108 00:05:17,189 --> 00:05:15,159 that shoots down a bunch of balls 109 00:05:18,929 --> 00:05:17,199 through an array of pegs and they form a 110 00:05:21,059 --> 00:05:18,939 normal distribution at the end and you 111 00:05:23,579 --> 00:05:21,069 can affect how many balls are falling to 112 00:05:26,219 --> 00:05:23,589 the left or to the right so that's the 113 00:05:29,129 --> 00:05:26,229 same it's a random physical process that 114 00:05:31,829 --> 00:05:29,139 your intention is able to to change the 115 00:05:34,469 --> 00:05:31,839 distribution of so it became apparent 116 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:34,479 that you can create these effects using 117 00:05:39,809 --> 00:05:36,810 multiple devices okay but they all had 118 00:05:42,749 --> 00:05:39,819 something in common they were all random 119 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:42,759 they were all chaotic so the question 120 00:05:49,050 --> 00:05:45,370 became well clearly this effect is not 121 00:05:52,379 --> 00:05:49,060 device specific so what's going on is it 122 00:05:53,699 --> 00:05:52,389 even physical at all okay what's 123 00:05:56,219 --> 00:05:53,709 happening when you go and sit by a 124 00:05:58,139 --> 00:05:56,229 random event generator you have this 125 00:06:00,809 --> 00:05:58,149 piece of micro electronic circuitry and 126 00:06:02,459 --> 00:06:00,819 the electrons are flowing through it are 127 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:02,469 you physically you know nudging an 128 00:06:05,879 --> 00:06:04,330 electron through your one gate or 129 00:06:08,189 --> 00:06:05,889 another are you physically with your 130 00:06:10,049 --> 00:06:08,199 mind you know making a ball bounce to 131 00:06:11,820 --> 00:06:10,059 the left of a peg or to the right what's 132 00:06:16,290 --> 00:06:11,830 going on and that's what these devices 133 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:16,300 were designed to to test so we can read 134 00:06:19,889 --> 00:06:18,490 the pronoun and the physical behavior of 135 00:06:22,739 --> 00:06:19,899 the electronic noise source being 136 00:06:24,469 --> 00:06:22,749 affected and if so in what way or is the 137 00:06:27,029 --> 00:06:24,479 effect possibly more systemic 138 00:06:29,309 --> 00:06:27,039 manifesting itself in the output data in 139 00:06:32,100 --> 00:06:29,319 an anomalous statistical form without 140 00:06:34,139 --> 00:06:32,110 alteration of any specific physical 141 00:06:36,779 --> 00:06:34,149 process so the bottom line is basically 142 00:06:40,379 --> 00:06:36,789 is the effect we're dealing with is it a 143 00:06:42,569 --> 00:06:40,389 case of mind over matter as are we 144 00:06:44,869 --> 00:06:42,579 manipulating something physical or is it 145 00:06:46,620 --> 00:06:44,879 a case of mind over information 146 00:06:49,710 --> 00:06:46,630 non-physical 147 00:06:51,540 --> 00:06:49,720 the study of these devices tends to 148 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:51,550 demonstrate that perhaps it is the 149 00:06:59,010 --> 00:06:55,210 latter okay so bottom line what makes 150 00:07:01,980 --> 00:06:59,020 these devices so different and in my 151 00:07:04,820 --> 00:07:01,990 mind so fascinating every other 152 00:07:08,190 --> 00:07:04,830 experimental device that they utilized 153 00:07:10,950 --> 00:07:08,200 operated on one common principle and 154 00:07:14,250 --> 00:07:10,960 that was your intention exerts an 155 00:07:17,700 --> 00:07:14,260 influence on a random physical process 156 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:17,710 okay whether it's electrons or balls or 157 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:19,570 a pendulum you have a random physical 158 00:07:23,850 --> 00:07:21,970 process a chaotic on deterministic 159 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:23,860 process that you were trying to 160 00:07:28,530 --> 00:07:26,050 manipulate the fascinating thing about 161 00:07:31,350 --> 00:07:28,540 it's too direct is that you are the 162 00:07:34,380 --> 00:07:31,360 random process okay nothing else only 163 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:34,390 you can supply the randomness and that's 164 00:07:40,140 --> 00:07:36,850 what makes them so in my mind profound 165 00:07:41,940 --> 00:07:40,150 and such a valuable tool both for from a 166 00:07:43,970 --> 00:07:41,950 theoretical perspective and a 167 00:07:47,990 --> 00:07:43,980 philosophical perspective and a way to 168 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:48,000 to understand this entire class of 169 00:07:52,500 --> 00:07:50,770 experiments in a totally new light and 170 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:52,510 that was kind of my at least that's what 171 00:07:56,930 --> 00:07:54,970 I came away from after three months of 172 00:08:00,560 --> 00:07:56,940 study and what makes them so interesting 173 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:00,570 and also unlike a traditional are eg 174 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:02,890 successful studio rehgar operation 175 00:08:12,090 --> 00:08:05,650 requires knowledge of future states or 176 00:08:14,310 --> 00:08:12,100 precognition because the effect can only 177 00:08:17,250 --> 00:08:14,320 be manifested when you initiate the 178 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:17,260 trial and as soon as you press start I 179 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:19,690 mean you should be able to if you had 180 00:08:24,300 --> 00:08:21,490 the algorithm you would know you know 181 00:08:27,450 --> 00:08:24,310 what the ten billionth bit was what the 182 00:08:29,730 --> 00:08:27,460 fifth bit was it's all fixed so you have 183 00:08:32,969 --> 00:08:29,740 to when you're sitting behind one of 184 00:08:36,150 --> 00:08:32,979 these machines you have to know when 185 00:08:38,159 --> 00:08:36,160 this trial ends is that sequence gonna 186 00:08:40,650 --> 00:08:38,169 be above you know are there gonna be 187 00:08:42,750 --> 00:08:40,660 more ones than zeroes or less ones and 188 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:42,760 zeroes so you have to know what the 189 00:08:48,750 --> 00:08:45,730 state we have to be able to predict what 190 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:48,760 the you know what the 20,000th bit is or 191 00:08:56,300 --> 00:08:50,650 what that series of bits that's fixed is 192 00:08:58,640 --> 00:08:56,310 so inherent within these devices is 193 00:09:02,550 --> 00:08:58,650 precognition 194 00:09:04,740 --> 00:09:02,560 okay so what began as a way to probe for 195 00:09:07,170 --> 00:09:04,750 the physical mechanism by which the 196 00:09:09,780 --> 00:09:07,180 effect manifests itself has transformed 197 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:09,790 into an affirmation of the most 198 00:09:15,210 --> 00:09:12,610 important random element after all what 199 00:09:16,650 --> 00:09:15,220 we're really interested in at least what 200 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:16,660 I'm really interested in you know and 201 00:09:20,930 --> 00:09:19,330 that's people and so for me but the 202 00:09:25,410 --> 00:09:20,940 pseudo reg really became a very 203 00:09:30,030 --> 00:09:25,420 empowering pursuit because you know it's 204 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:30,040 all about the person you know you are 205 00:09:35,220 --> 00:09:32,650 it's almost like you are a random event 206 00:09:37,230 --> 00:09:35,230 generator you are the randomness and to 207 00:09:39,570 --> 00:09:37,240 me you know that's that's the best part 208 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:39,580 okay so we've got a couple more things 209 00:09:44,700 --> 00:09:42,010 here and then we can start talking about 210 00:09:47,010 --> 00:09:44,710 my experiment so I have to admit that 211 00:09:49,560 --> 00:09:47,020 when I first started the project I was a 212 00:09:51,450 --> 00:09:49,570 little apprehensive you know I travel 213 00:09:53,490 --> 00:09:51,460 all the way from Denver Colorado to 214 00:09:55,770 --> 00:09:53,500 Princeton New Jersey and I wanted to 215 00:09:57,630 --> 00:09:55,780 play with re G's you know that's what 216 00:10:00,210 --> 00:09:57,640 that's what it was all about that was 217 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:00,220 you know that's what what they did and 218 00:10:04,500 --> 00:10:02,050 when Brenda told me that well you know 219 00:10:06,420 --> 00:10:04,510 Brennan we have this entire class of 220 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:06,430 experiments that we never felt like we 221 00:10:09,630 --> 00:10:08,410 got a lot of closure on and that you 222 00:10:10,650 --> 00:10:09,640 know maybe there was some room here for 223 00:10:14,340 --> 00:10:10,660 you to make an original contribution 224 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:14,350 there called pseudo re G's and they're 225 00:10:17,700 --> 00:10:16,450 like the cool re G's except you know 226 00:10:20,030 --> 00:10:17,710 they're not at all random and they don't 227 00:10:25,140 --> 00:10:20,040 use the cool you know quantum tunneling 228 00:10:27,900 --> 00:10:25,150 there's no quantum element but after 229 00:10:30,270 --> 00:10:27,910 after a while I became to be quite fond 230 00:10:32,490 --> 00:10:30,280 of them and also the fact that you know 231 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:32,500 there isn't a lot of resolution and 232 00:10:37,620 --> 00:10:36,010 they're kind of ignored even by you know 233 00:10:39,270 --> 00:10:37,630 Bob and Brenda I think if I may say so 234 00:10:42,300 --> 00:10:39,280 it's always been kind of a an 235 00:10:44,310 --> 00:10:42,310 afterthought margins of reality their 236 00:10:47,790 --> 00:10:44,320 first book has a chapter devoted to 237 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:47,800 pseudo reg it's two pages long you know 238 00:10:52,950 --> 00:10:51,490 it's not much there there's the suit of 239 00:10:54,990 --> 00:10:52,960 rags are brought up in other scholarly 240 00:10:57,570 --> 00:10:55,000 papers that they've done but it's always 241 00:10:59,130 --> 00:10:57,580 as oh yeah and you can do it with a 242 00:11:00,540 --> 00:10:59,140 pseudo reg too or you can't do with the 243 00:11:01,710 --> 00:11:00,550 suit of Victor now let's get back on to 244 00:11:03,270 --> 00:11:01,720 you know what we're really interested in 245 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:03,280 here it's always been kind of an 246 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:05,050 afterthought and that's kind of been my 247 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:08,050 quest I guess what turned into my quest 248 00:11:11,269 --> 00:11:10,210 is to you know to rehabilitate the 249 00:11:13,970 --> 00:11:11,279 pseudo reg 250 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:13,980 to to you know to show that these things 251 00:11:18,530 --> 00:11:16,410 are actually you know interesting and 252 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:18,540 profound and should be you know 253 00:11:21,429 --> 00:11:20,610 respected and for what they for what 254 00:11:24,739 --> 00:11:21,439 they are 255 00:11:27,410 --> 00:11:24,749 okay so my experiment my experiment 256 00:11:30,139 --> 00:11:27,420 utilizes three separate experimental 257 00:11:33,489 --> 00:11:30,149 conditions I came to be most interested 258 00:11:35,509 --> 00:11:33,499 in a couple things first off what is 259 00:11:37,670 --> 00:11:35,519 whether it is the source of the 260 00:11:40,220 --> 00:11:37,680 randomness which matters most or the 261 00:11:42,410 --> 00:11:40,230 belief and expectations of the operator 262 00:11:43,939 --> 00:11:42,420 regarding said source or put another way 263 00:11:47,689 --> 00:11:43,949 what are the most important 264 00:11:49,549 --> 00:11:47,699 psychological you know what's the most 265 00:11:52,549 --> 00:11:49,559 what's the important psychological mix 266 00:11:55,970 --> 00:11:52,559 that you have to bring to the table for 267 00:11:58,009 --> 00:11:55,980 a successful operation and also to get a 268 00:12:00,350 --> 00:11:58,019 little bit more into the nitty-gritty 269 00:12:04,939 --> 00:12:00,360 mechanics of it you know how does it 270 00:12:06,470 --> 00:12:04,949 work how can we be how can we manipulate 271 00:12:11,329 --> 00:12:06,480 what we know about it in order to 272 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:11,339 produce the largest effects so the three 273 00:12:15,379 --> 00:12:12,569 conditions we'll talk about him a little 274 00:12:19,670 --> 00:12:15,389 bit more in brief now condition one is a 275 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:19,680 entire database built using exclusively 276 00:12:24,769 --> 00:12:22,410 the pseudo are eg but the operator me I 277 00:12:27,980 --> 00:12:24,779 was the only operator for this entire 278 00:12:32,259 --> 00:12:27,990 experiment believes that it is a real 279 00:12:35,629 --> 00:12:32,269 are eg he is operating ok so I built 280 00:12:40,549 --> 00:12:35,639 accidentally I built an entire database 281 00:12:42,769 --> 00:12:40,559 of pseudo are eg you know work where I 282 00:12:45,740 --> 00:12:42,779 thought I was operating a real are eg I 283 00:12:48,860 --> 00:12:45,750 hadn't familiarized myself with the with 284 00:12:51,350 --> 00:12:48,870 the style around software yet so it was 285 00:12:53,629 --> 00:12:51,360 quite a shock to me after looking at 286 00:12:56,389 --> 00:12:53,639 this database and seeing that yes I did 287 00:12:59,590 --> 00:12:56,399 have a pretty good effect I was like wow 288 00:13:01,960 --> 00:12:59,600 this is working this is great and then I 289 00:13:04,460 --> 00:13:01,970 started looking more carefully and I 290 00:13:06,919 --> 00:13:04,470 realized I'd overlooked something I was 291 00:13:10,669 --> 00:13:06,929 like wait I just did all that with a 292 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:10,679 pseudo reg and it was after that that 293 00:13:14,210 --> 00:13:12,569 was kind of the proof-of-concept moment 294 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:14,220 for me it was after that where I was 295 00:13:19,429 --> 00:13:16,410 like ok I can get excited about this I I 296 00:13:21,590 --> 00:13:19,439 can I can do this because you know I 297 00:13:24,750 --> 00:13:21,600 just did it I didn't even know it so 298 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:24,760 that was kind of provided a very 299 00:13:31,470 --> 00:13:29,530 Niek piece a set of data you know it's 300 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:31,480 not often that you can trick yourself 301 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:33,490 you know without even knowing it and 302 00:13:38,130 --> 00:13:35,410 then use that data later it's a very 303 00:13:41,790 --> 00:13:38,140 unique piece of data that I I wanted to 304 00:13:44,010 --> 00:13:41,800 make use of so that's that addresses the 305 00:13:46,940 --> 00:13:44,020 first question whether it's the source 306 00:13:49,860 --> 00:13:46,950 of the randomness that matters or the 307 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:49,870 Dupree stated expectations and beliefs 308 00:13:53,910 --> 00:13:52,330 of the operator all the beliefs all the 309 00:13:57,420 --> 00:13:53,920 expectations that you that you bring to 310 00:14:00,750 --> 00:13:57,430 the table as a participant what's really 311 00:14:03,210 --> 00:14:00,760 more important and then we have two 312 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:03,220 other conditions second condition is 313 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:05,770 identical to the first condition except 314 00:14:13,350 --> 00:14:10,210 now I I know what I'm really working on 315 00:14:16,530 --> 00:14:13,360 so that's kind of control and the third 316 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:16,540 condition is also the same but one thing 317 00:14:22,610 --> 00:14:18,250 is different and that is the run length 318 00:14:25,050 --> 00:14:22,620 has been decreased so what that means is 319 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:25,060 most of you probably haven't actually 320 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:28,210 operated an AR eg yourself maybe maybe 321 00:14:35,550 --> 00:14:31,450 you have but when you sit down to do an 322 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:35,560 AR AG experiment you when you initiate a 323 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:37,930 trial when you go high you can either 324 00:14:44,430 --> 00:14:41,530 collect you know the number of bits that 325 00:14:47,460 --> 00:14:44,440 you collect at a time it's called a run 326 00:14:49,470 --> 00:14:47,470 length so I can style I can stop after a 327 00:14:53,550 --> 00:14:49,480 thousand bits I can stop after ten 328 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:53,560 thousand bits you can vary it but if the 329 00:14:59,760 --> 00:14:56,290 effect is only manifested at the 330 00:15:02,820 --> 00:14:59,770 initiation of the trial if you can chop 331 00:15:06,090 --> 00:15:02,830 that data into smaller pieces and use 332 00:15:09,740 --> 00:15:06,100 smaller run lengths then you have more 333 00:15:12,330 --> 00:15:09,750 opportunities to initiate trials and 334 00:15:15,420 --> 00:15:12,340 theoretically theoretically you would 335 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:15,430 expect that you can produce a larger 336 00:15:22,290 --> 00:15:19,930 effect that way okay so if you if you're 337 00:15:24,780 --> 00:15:22,300 taking data you a million trials at a 338 00:15:27,510 --> 00:15:24,790 time you know for all of that data 339 00:15:31,170 --> 00:15:27,520 you only have one initiation point only 340 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:31,180 one chance to start the sequence makes 341 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:32,650 it a lot you would think a lot more 342 00:15:36,870 --> 00:15:34,690 difficult but if you're taking in tiny 343 00:15:38,310 --> 00:15:36,880 tiny tiny chunks you can start it and 344 00:15:41,100 --> 00:15:38,320 then restart it and 345 00:15:43,230 --> 00:15:41,110 and started and again and perhaps build 346 00:15:48,090 --> 00:15:43,240 a larger effect and that was what that 347 00:15:52,650 --> 00:15:48,100 was meant to to look at so this is 348 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:52,660 condition one 21,000 trials you as you 349 00:15:57,960 --> 00:15:54,850 can see we achieved a statistically 350 00:16:02,070 --> 00:15:57,970 significant effect in one direction in 351 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:02,080 the high direction terminal z-score of I 352 00:16:08,450 --> 00:16:05,770 believe two point four which is pretty 353 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:08,460 good and then you also see this is a 354 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:11,890 pattern that will which will come up 355 00:16:16,860 --> 00:16:14,730 multiple times is the 356 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:16,870 indistinguishability between the 357 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:23,650 baseline and the low okay and this is 358 00:16:30,450 --> 00:16:27,490 condition2 again you see that we have 359 00:16:32,730 --> 00:16:30,460 reached a significant effect but this 360 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:32,740 time it's been flipped over the 361 00:16:39,150 --> 00:16:36,970 horizontal axis and now the low has 362 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:39,160 reached a significant threshold at the 363 00:16:45,450 --> 00:16:42,730 0.05 cutoff the terminal z-score of one 364 00:16:48,570 --> 00:16:45,460 point six four and nine over the one 365 00:16:51,420 --> 00:16:48,580 foot which is like point O four over the 366 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:51,430 the cutoff for significant at the 0.05 367 00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:55,090 level and the highs are error nothing 368 00:17:00,570 --> 00:16:57,730 but again you have the near 369 00:17:06,819 --> 00:17:00,580 indistinguishability of the baselines 370 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:08,919 okay so both conditions achieved 371 00:17:13,059 --> 00:17:10,850 significant at the 0.05 level but in 372 00:17:15,669 --> 00:17:13,069 different directions as tells us that 373 00:17:20,829 --> 00:17:15,679 expectations and beliefs of the operator 374 00:17:22,779 --> 00:17:20,839 are not exact not in or not we cannot 375 00:17:26,380 --> 00:17:22,789 say that they are necessarily an all 376 00:17:30,130 --> 00:17:26,390 important factor in proper and 377 00:17:33,909 --> 00:17:30,140 successful pseudo our eg operation one 378 00:17:36,009 --> 00:17:33,919 important topic to to breach here is you 379 00:17:39,639 --> 00:17:36,019 know what would have happened if I had 380 00:17:43,330 --> 00:17:39,649 flipped the order of the two you know 381 00:17:45,100 --> 00:17:43,340 that first set of data where I you know 382 00:17:49,060 --> 00:17:45,110 was enthusiastic when I thought I was 383 00:17:52,570 --> 00:17:49,070 using an R eg but I wasn't and I kind of 384 00:17:54,879 --> 00:17:52,580 served as a proof of concept and let me 385 00:17:59,009 --> 00:17:54,889 know psychologically that yes it's 386 00:18:02,620 --> 00:17:59,019 possible after all if that had come last 387 00:18:06,549 --> 00:18:02,630 then it could have totally changed the 388 00:18:09,310 --> 00:18:06,559 entire psychological set of the 389 00:18:13,029 --> 00:18:09,320 experiment and could have led to 390 00:18:17,289 --> 00:18:13,039 drastically different results and then 391 00:18:19,870 --> 00:18:17,299 here is the third condition so this was 392 00:18:22,509 --> 00:18:19,880 a condition that was supposed to you 393 00:18:25,210 --> 00:18:22,519 know look at shorter run lengths more 394 00:18:28,620 --> 00:18:25,220 incursions into the data set should mean 395 00:18:31,330 --> 00:18:28,630 a larger effect it was a very reasonable 396 00:18:33,549 --> 00:18:31,340 hypothesis we discussed it quite a lot 397 00:18:37,690 --> 00:18:33,559 with both Bob and Brenda it seemed to 398 00:18:42,759 --> 00:18:37,700 make a lot of intuitive sense but we got 399 00:18:47,340 --> 00:18:42,769 nothing it was the the only database 400 00:18:52,060 --> 00:18:47,350 where we achieved no significance at all 401 00:18:53,860 --> 00:18:52,070 so what went wrong well I think this is 402 00:18:56,860 --> 00:18:53,870 an important reminder that when it comes 403 00:19:00,879 --> 00:18:56,870 to you know consciousness related 404 00:19:04,419 --> 00:19:00,889 research simple questions rarely have 405 00:19:06,820 --> 00:19:04,429 simple answers I kind of reached the 406 00:19:09,639 --> 00:19:06,830 limits of what it means to have a 407 00:19:12,279 --> 00:19:09,649 hypothesis at all you know you can go 408 00:19:14,259 --> 00:19:12,289 into a chemistry experiment and you can 409 00:19:16,450 --> 00:19:14,269 know all the variables and you should be 410 00:19:18,700 --> 00:19:16,460 able to predict how your two molecules 411 00:19:19,930 --> 00:19:18,710 you'll react you know everything there 412 00:19:23,230 --> 00:19:19,940 is no so you should be 413 00:19:27,669 --> 00:19:23,240 to make simple predictions but these 414 00:19:29,830 --> 00:19:27,679 classes of experiments are a whole 415 00:19:34,210 --> 00:19:29,840 different animal than that and no matter 416 00:19:36,210 --> 00:19:34,220 how much sense it makes going in you 417 00:19:38,169 --> 00:19:36,220 know you can there's that that 418 00:19:40,690 --> 00:19:38,179 subjective the x-factor 419 00:19:42,580 --> 00:19:40,700 that you can never account for it and 420 00:19:45,279 --> 00:19:42,590 you know what's very humbling and it's 421 00:19:48,879 --> 00:19:45,289 something that you know instead of you 422 00:19:51,039 --> 00:19:48,889 know frustrating you know the potential 423 00:19:53,230 --> 00:19:51,049 SCI researcher you have to get in the 424 00:19:55,180 --> 00:19:53,240 mindset that this is something that you 425 00:19:58,389 --> 00:19:55,190 can learn from and this is something 426 00:20:02,049 --> 00:19:58,399 important there's also the possibility 427 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:02,059 something that I entertained that maybe 428 00:20:06,460 --> 00:20:04,850 the effect you know becomes more erratic 429 00:20:09,220 --> 00:20:06,470 and harder to control as run length 430 00:20:11,529 --> 00:20:09,230 decreases this is an area that I would 431 00:20:15,310 --> 00:20:11,539 love to explore more and makes a bit of 432 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:15,320 intuitive sense to me and as far as the 433 00:20:19,450 --> 00:20:17,450 precognitive component you know these 434 00:20:21,639 --> 00:20:19,460 results tend to demonstrate that it's 435 00:20:24,999 --> 00:20:21,649 easier to see you know ten minutes into 436 00:20:27,249 --> 00:20:25,009 the future with a longer run length than 437 00:20:29,789 --> 00:20:27,259 it is to see one minute into the future 438 00:20:33,009 --> 00:20:29,799 with the shorter run length and that 439 00:20:37,899 --> 00:20:33,019 doesn't make a ton of sense but is also 440 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:37,909 interesting so this is a combined graph 441 00:20:42,519 --> 00:20:41,450 of all three trials again significance 442 00:20:44,289 --> 00:20:42,529 in the high direction and 443 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:44,299 indistinguishability of the baselines 444 00:20:49,360 --> 00:20:46,850 and lows so we also have some signature 445 00:20:51,269 --> 00:20:49,370 effects replicated on the pseudo re G 446 00:20:54,580 --> 00:20:51,279 which is noteworthy 447 00:20:56,919 --> 00:20:54,590 so in conclusion our best hypothesis 448 00:21:00,399 --> 00:20:56,929 relating operator success to run length 449 00:21:04,899 --> 00:21:00,409 is at best incomplete perhaps totally 450 00:21:06,669 --> 00:21:04,909 wrong I don't really know and but the 451 00:21:10,060 --> 00:21:06,679 proof of concept is there you know 452 00:21:12,580 --> 00:21:10,070 pseudo regs can be operated you know 453 00:21:15,389 --> 00:21:12,590 just like any other class of device and 454 00:21:18,909 --> 00:21:15,399 perhaps we need to expand our existing 455 00:21:25,810 --> 00:21:18,919 theoretical models to accommodate such a 456 00:21:27,669 --> 00:21:25,820 new type of of interaction here you know 457 00:21:29,859 --> 00:21:27,679 a pseudo reg after all it's not really a 458 00:21:33,610 --> 00:21:29,869 physical thing you know it's pure 459 00:21:35,350 --> 00:21:33,620 information so how does this effect 460 00:21:38,049 --> 00:21:35,360 some of our existing theoretical models 461 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:38,059 developed a you know pair and IC RL etc 462 00:21:44,650 --> 00:21:42,010 you know if if the if resonance between 463 00:21:46,660 --> 00:21:44,660 you know the operator and the device is 464 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:46,670 so important you know then what are you 465 00:21:53,980 --> 00:21:50,330 resonant with when you operate a pseudo 466 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:53,990 re G I'm not sure and it really I think 467 00:21:59,170 --> 00:21:56,210 speaks pretty profoundly to the to the 468 00:22:02,980 --> 00:21:59,180 role of uncertainty to the role of you 469 00:22:04,990 --> 00:22:02,990 know randomness you know I've I think 470 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:05,000 I've shown that you don't need a random 471 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:07,250 physical process you can have a totally 472 00:22:10,450 --> 00:22:09,290 deterministic one and still create 473 00:22:18,220 --> 00:22:10,460 comparable effects 474 00:22:19,330 --> 00:22:18,230 thank you Brennan we have time for 475 00:22:26,740 --> 00:22:19,340 questions 476 00:22:29,350 --> 00:22:26,750 York let me first say this is very 477 00:22:30,940 --> 00:22:29,360 interesting work but I I do wish 478 00:22:34,060 --> 00:22:30,950 somebody had told me what you were 479 00:22:37,530 --> 00:22:34,070 planting planning to work on I'd have 480 00:22:45,730 --> 00:22:41,350 among other things on your concept that 481 00:22:47,740 --> 00:22:45,740 precognition is necessary for pseudo re 482 00:22:53,620 --> 00:22:47,750 G where it isn't for physical random 483 00:22:55,330 --> 00:22:53,630 devices this is something that maybe SSE 484 00:22:58,870 --> 00:22:55,340 members aren't as much aware of because 485 00:23:03,010 --> 00:22:58,880 I've never published it in JSC it's in 486 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:03,020 buried in my symposium reports for Dan 487 00:23:15,430 --> 00:23:09,850 sheehan's retro causation symposia the 488 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:15,440 effect in our remote re G is actually 489 00:23:23,260 --> 00:23:19,250 completely driven by the off time re G 490 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:23,270 trials the contemporaneous remote re G 491 00:23:44,540 --> 00:23:40,940 thank you for a very interesting 492 00:23:47,390 --> 00:23:44,550 presentation since the pseudo-random 493 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:47,400 numbers are known out as far as you want 494 00:23:51,830 --> 00:23:49,050 to know them in theory because it's an 495 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:51,840 algorithm this just reflects my 496 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:53,490 ignorance about pseudo-random number 497 00:24:01,820 --> 00:23:56,690 generators is it possible to calculate 498 00:24:04,310 --> 00:24:01,830 say a trillion digits out you know in a 499 00:24:08,540 --> 00:24:04,320 quick algorithm somehow and what would 500 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:08,550 that look like if you did that well yeah 501 00:24:13,460 --> 00:24:11,730 I recognize that this is a difficult 502 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:13,470 topic to bring people who've never heard 503 00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:15,290 of it up to speed and so short a time 504 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:18,240 it's kind of a you know pseudo reg is a 505 00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:20,970 bit of esoteric you know when you say a 506 00:24:24,380 --> 00:24:22,320 random event in or you can usually get 507 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:24,390 people on board pretty quick it's not 508 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:27,210 really the case with this but you're I 509 00:24:34,130 --> 00:24:29,850 mean you're absolutely right you know in 510 00:24:38,570 --> 00:24:34,140 in practice I I can't do it I don't have 511 00:24:41,990 --> 00:24:38,580 the the formulas but all the all the 512 00:24:44,060 --> 00:24:42,000 students read is it's just a you know 513 00:24:46,100 --> 00:24:44,070 like a never-ending loop well it's not 514 00:24:48,650 --> 00:24:46,110 never-ending I mean it's a loop so it it 515 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:48,660 never ends in that way but it's it's 516 00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:50,730 just one you know it's two one zero one 517 00:24:57,980 --> 00:24:53,370 zero one zero one zero and the sequence 518 00:25:01,430 --> 00:24:57,990 goes on the number of bits in the 519 00:25:03,860 --> 00:25:01,440 sequence has been noted in multiple 520 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:03,870 papers that they did it's a huge number 521 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:06,930 if you it takes about 60 hours of 522 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:09,210 continual operation of just letting the 523 00:25:13,670 --> 00:25:11,490 algorithm play out to go back to go 524 00:25:18,380 --> 00:25:13,680 through the entire loop so yeah it is 525 00:25:23,450 --> 00:25:18,390 possible without a doubt to know you 526 00:25:27,500 --> 00:25:23,460 know any any number in the series at any 527 00:25:29,090 --> 00:25:27,510 time that information is there so I want 528 00:25:32,360 --> 00:25:29,100 to stress again you know there's no the 529 00:25:35,030 --> 00:25:32,370 only random element is you this is just 530 00:25:36,770 --> 00:25:35,040 you know just like you could say if you 531 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:36,780 want to reduce the entire loop you could 532 00:25:41,810 --> 00:25:39,450 reduce it down to five you know numbers 533 00:25:43,010 --> 00:25:41,820 you know zero one zero one zero and then 534 00:25:44,690 --> 00:25:43,020 it would just loop over zero one zero 535 00:25:46,850 --> 00:25:44,700 one zero and just loop stops oops now 536 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:46,860 just extrapolate that and to you know I 537 00:25:52,549 --> 00:25:48,930 don't know like a trillion it's the same 538 00:25:58,830 --> 00:25:56,790 thank you I've worked with random noise 539 00:26:00,780 --> 00:25:58,840 generators both on the analog and on the 540 00:26:03,270 --> 00:26:00,790 digital side as you know 541 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:03,280 analog noise generators preceded the 542 00:26:09,390 --> 00:26:06,850 digital ones by many years my feeling is 543 00:26:12,570 --> 00:26:09,400 that you're making a big thing about the 544 00:26:14,430 --> 00:26:12,580 difference between pseudo random and 545 00:26:17,370 --> 00:26:14,440 random generators which is not justified 546 00:26:19,260 --> 00:26:17,380 if it takes 50 hours of a sequence of 547 00:26:21,780 --> 00:26:19,270 ones and zeros to repeat itself and your 548 00:26:25,740 --> 00:26:21,790 experiment is a few seconds long it 549 00:26:28,020 --> 00:26:25,750 makes no difference and and to say that 550 00:26:29,610 --> 00:26:28,030 you need precognition to to know what's 551 00:26:32,430 --> 00:26:29,620 going to happen an hour from now when 552 00:26:36,590 --> 00:26:32,440 the thing doesn't repeat for 50 hours to 553 00:26:39,540 --> 00:26:36,600 me this is a is meant as a manufactured 554 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:39,550 conclusion which I only can justify by 555 00:26:46,919 --> 00:26:44,050 the facts okay well I would disagree I 556 00:26:52,470 --> 00:26:46,929 think that there is a large difference 557 00:26:55,919 --> 00:26:52,480 between a pseudo re G and a traditional 558 00:26:58,049 --> 00:26:55,929 re G I think that you know when Bob and 559 00:27:03,710 --> 00:26:58,059 Brenda went out to start and studying 560 00:27:06,630 --> 00:27:03,720 these things they were focused on random 561 00:27:10,500 --> 00:27:06,640 physical processes they wanted to know 562 00:27:13,980 --> 00:27:10,510 how we interact with random physical 563 00:27:17,690 --> 00:27:13,990 processes things we can't predict this 564 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:17,700 is predictable in the most you know 565 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:20,050 literal sense of the word there's 566 00:27:28,980 --> 00:27:24,250 nothing random about it and so I think 567 00:27:30,810 --> 00:27:28,990 that it's not to say that you know that 568 00:27:32,970 --> 00:27:30,820 it's because they appear the same that 569 00:27:35,700 --> 00:27:32,980 they are the same to me 570 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:35,710 you know is unwarranted yes they behave 571 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:38,290 just like the random number generators 572 00:27:45,210 --> 00:27:41,890 but you know with that if you don't have 573 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:45,220 that it's I mean it's it's so determined 574 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:50,410 that you know it where is the the wiggle 575 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:53,490 room for you know our intention to 576 00:27:58,530 --> 00:27:56,170 operate on something so fixed like that 577 00:28:02,530 --> 00:27:58,540 thank you Brennan thank you 578 00:28:08,790 --> 00:28:02,540 [Applause]